What i don't understand is why all the SA players are leaving squad? Did they think the outcome was going to be any different..

15 is half of 30 doodz. I'm all for 10v10 vs CK in regular season. Why not? I doubt they'd agree to it. All 10v10 does with two skilled squads is decrease the impact of individual skill and increase randomness (ie. more explosives flying around).

i had fun

Since several people seem interested, here's some info from the day of that some people might not know, just for the record. (executive summary version) yosh> :M: hey wanna do 10v10, more playtime for more of your dudes! ��ayb> Hi pandy here's our lineup: M, noskeeper, ayb, blue, versace, merciless, shanec, 6(mad?) yosh> 6 can't play because he joined the squad a few days ago yosh> :M: hey if you say yes to 10v10 I'll say yes to letting 6 play ����M> :ayb: yosh is telling me if we agree to 10v10 he'll let 6 play, and thats the only way ��ayb> :M: ?? aren't wait times waived?? regardless, don't do it plz it'll be really bad ��ayb> Hey Pandy, aren't wait times waived for season 3 for new joiners? pandy> idk ��ayb> r u srs? pandy> M, do you wanna do 10v10 or not tell me now pls �����M> mmmmm mmmm tough decision here ughhh mmm... ok pandy we'll do 10v10; put in MikeC and Coolmo ��ayb> rip I thought you were a cool guy yosh (despite many other people telling me otherwise) and never doubted you; but it's become apparent that when it comes to doing what's best for the league and for other, newer, players... you're pretty selfish and messed up, going against the spirit of the league like that, m8 :/. And, my opinion of pandy dropped immensely. If we had another ref, things probably would've turned out differently. Can anyone be a ref these days? lolo 你想一想，这样做对不对？你也希望新手都离开Inf吗？ ...at least Nos had fun :D

133-46 IV vs SA 17-123 legends vs CK pretty sure the latter was a bigger blowout even though it was 10 less kills and that was also an 8v8? anyway when the two top squads are more obsessed over stats than a competitive league this is what happens no matter if its an 8v8 or a 10v10. I thought it would be nice and refreshing to see a 10v10 especially since as far as my knowledge went, M was the captain on the site and i repeated myself several times if 10 was ok. Too bad this is where it gets us

A totally other match with two different squads is unrelated, what does that have to do with anything? From the log that ayb posted it seems like some of the refs need to freshen up on the rules. Sup pandy?

other games and other scores are hardly relevant? because the circumstances were totally different? SA had practiced every day for the entire week and prepared quite a bit for IV's playstyles. That combined with knowledge that many of IV's starters may not be able to play Sunday would've made for a much closer game than one where you're suddenly being forced to play with Coolmo and MikeC, who basically destroy their own team on vent. Not to mention how a lot of things don't work 10v10 compared to 8v8. The fact that you even made an irrelevant comparison really shows the extent of your nonchalance and indifference to the integrity of this league and all the players in it. Without wanting to be too offensive, I am really curious how you feel that you're an adequate ref? Perhaps the answer will illuminate some of USL's history for newcomers like me :O.

I can't babysit what happens in your own squad. Pls if you think you can help out the integrity of the league apply for ref so I can retire

You are delusional if you believe any of IV (aside from Khaos lol) care about stats. I typically sit out of the easier matches.

Good read 10/10

Zebe went 3-6 in his first game. Don't forget to add that to his current 4-5.

Basically Sov told ayb that IV can't make a coordinated push into the rocks and built these guys up for crashing down hard. I'll give you some advice in the future. Ask people who have beaten stacked squads in the past aka Khaos, Kippa, Darth, Drift not some faggot who joined SFO in seasons 25 when everyone else had quit and cries when his squads aren't stacking enough.

This should end here. Majority of the posts are now inflammatory towards squads/individuals. Regardless of motivation or truth, it is over, let's move on. Change the rules to match site, set 8v8 max for rest of season, re-evaluate for S4. Want to be the bigger players? Offer a rematch to SA in 8v8 and play the people who you would have played in 8v8 to give them the same playtime necessary, while also allowing SA to at least have a fair chance. Stats aside, play for the challenge/fun.

Ninj: Go for it. It's only a game.

Tyrael, if you want to be the bigger mod you should have ended that post after your first paragraph. If we rematch Apes I guarantee we'll have all of our starters and stat padders in, following the CK template from week 1.

That wasn't me personally attaching you guys, I don't care what you do either way. I just know that would help eliminate the stigma associated currently. I'm abstaining from personal viewpoint, as I think it fell between the 2 realms of thought.

Why is this being compared to ck vs legends? We played 8v8, against people who've played usl many seasons. You guys played mostly new players 10v10. Not comparable. Pris I never denied anything about ck vs legends being a statpad but we didn't bend the rules and play them 10v10 in hopes of bigger kill totals, now there's squad turmoil and sa is in shambles in a direct result of iv being kill hungry and making up bogus excuses of why you asked for 10v10. Iv knew exactly what they were doing and it's very dissapointing.

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All of you stat whores are faggots. stfu and play newbs