i never looked at it that way, thanks i see your perspective now.

So why don't we as a community pay mizz palm jovan for their hard work continuing developing this game?

Because everyone wants it to die but doesn't know how to quit

the steam community holds no mercy for games designed poorly in a post no man's sky era.

Fur I'd say there are two sides to this sort of thing:

1. You either have a great looking game, ready to go, and you have the funds to market. You need less reliance on the community. A huge money sink in and of itself when you see how much some of these games spend regularly to get new players. You build the community over time through this.

2. You have an existing, established community to rely on. In this case, which is rare, you're somewhat okay with starting off from a less than ideal position because the community is there to back you up. The existing community helps build itself up and grow further through word of mouth.

(Edit: Infantry doesn't have #2, there is barely a community big enough to lift itself off the ground, nevermind another game. We are all in our 30s with full time jobs and responsibilities.)

But when you don't have a great looking game AND no community in sight, then that's really, really difficult. Add to this the constant competition from a barrage of other games coming out, and it's almost impossible to break even with time/money investment:

1. Over 40% of Steam games were released in 2016.
2. Steam revenue was flat in 2016, despite the increase.
3. It's a "winner take all" situation where top N indies get everything, and the rest barely cover the time they spent to develop the thing in the first place.

This gem came out recently which demonstrates the point quite well: http://positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2017/06/23/your-indie-game-will-flop-and-you-will-lose-money/

(Edit 2: Just to clarify - you constantly have to compete against the barrage of new games coming out by constantly marketing and advertising the game, otherwise someone who is louder than you and has more funds will take the players away bit by bit as it has happened by LoL/DotA to many other games.)

9/11/01: No payments necessary. Donations are welcome and they go directly to pay for the server costs.

Why not put the version that we play in steam? To get more people to play. I'm sure people won't mind paying 15

Pistor: We don't have the rights to sell the game, and we do not have the source code for the client. We wrote all the server code ourselves but that's only half of the work. So it's just not worth it, it's very difficult, and the game is fucking old.

Subspace/Continuum tried to do this - they saw a small blip in new players which after a week plummeted back to what it was before.

Also Steam would probably remove it when they realize it's a copyright infringement.

Jovan what I'm saying is don't you think the community putting together money to pay you mizz and Palm and whoever else helps with the tech side will help this game be developed more?... Make it worth the time y'all put in to doing that.

And I actually talked to Day Break, the ones who own this game. I talked to their president and he will not sell the rights to the game. I told them I would want to buy the source code and still they said they weren't interested in selling. They just keep that shit locked up.

9/11/01 - Yes but only to a degree:

1. Even at 200 people giving $15/mo via something like Patreon, it barely covers one person's time. And we don't even have that many people in the community at the moment, let alone do they have the will to give $15/mo to this. Otherwise, our time sinks are our full-time jobs that (fortunately?) pay better.

2. Technical development on Inf 1 would eventually have to cease because it's an old game with old graphics etc, so you'd essentially need to finance a new game while you're saddled with this one (we are currently here, but without people giving us money. I'm paying for Infantry 1 server costs, Mizz is wrapping up some stuff for Inf 1).

Acquiring the source code is a waste of time mind you - you can toss it out because you'd need to rewrite a lot of it and the stuff that remains can be reimplemented without much trouble.

Inf 1?

Any new serious tech dev would have to be done for a new game, Inf 1 has more or less run it's course. We can make new editors, but even that is limited.

Free inf was supposed to just be for soccer brawl n zombie zone. Usl and sk pub were just a bonus

So when's inf 2 coming out?

See, we can't even pay for the server we play on. We rely on Jovan who rarely even unspecs to pay for it. Before talking about donating to a shitty looking game how about we just do donations to this so Jovan isn't stuck putting in all the work and then still paying for the product for us. Literally like $2 donation a month from each person that logs in and the server is set. I feel bad that Jovan spends his hard earned money on us.

I don't mind it. The donation thing is still somewhat recent. Previously (before the project was renamed to Free Infantry), there would be a person paying for the server (who stays out of the spotlight) and a person being the community admin for it.

Dakodah: Lattasoft's project seems set to release/unlock on April 13th 2018?

As for the things I'm working on, I haven't set a timeline. I tinker with it every so often and I have no plans to monetize it.

I made monthly donations for over a year, I just couldn't afford it anymore. I just wish some of the people who just expect things to happen to think about how they are able to even play this game. You do so much for us without expecting anything in return and I truly appreciate that. I just wish that the people who could put money into the server would, You shouldn't be doing it all.

Wasn't rich guy backs supposed to donate a bunch of money for sniper

I said I would if they allowed sniper in league. Honestly I'm going to donate to the server. This goes for jovan? That link for PAYPAL is Jovan? It isn't that clear.

I was under the impression it was to Mizzouse; I am not sure.

The PayPal account is something originally Mizzouse and myself had access to. We both agreed to let Jovan have access to it as well as most of the money coming in there was his and, frankly, I wanted to take a step back (haven't gone in-game since last August).

If you want to see what Jovan has been working on, ask to see his sick car model. Pretty sure he is secretly working on the next Gran Turismo.

hi ace :)