I don't know why this is so difficult to understand Infinite. In the Captain's forum (which you have access to) there was a post made about the new map rule and Eric said the only 4 map choices are KR, EC, Apollo's and Bomb's. You're reaching really hard by copying that sentence from the introduction page.

Lunar the map is actually not allowed as a map, that information is readily available in captain forum. An advisor and ex-advisor (apollo and myself) were telling infnite that the map was not an option in captains chat, to which he ignored.

oh ok, as a normal player I couldn't have known that.

Hopefully that map can be easily renamed to save future confusion.

well the admins didn't share anything about map rules this season at all, so totally not your fault

To be fair I thought the map was only unplayable due to power issues of refs. I know there were talks of physics issues that I had thought Mizz said were corrected and it was function able now. Either way the trench sniper judgement would have been enough to garner a rematch.

That's just it Riley, no one but you spoke up. I fixed what you said was wrong. It's "broken" is an excuse to not use it when I can fix it. Fact is they just don't want to use it period and using "its broken" is the excuse instead of saying it's a terrible map to play on. This is why I don't edit maps, waste of time when nothing gets used. I only fix current playing maps at this point. I want to make this clear though, I was not involved with allowing that map to be played on. I didn't say a word cuz it's my squad being played against.

Now, after yesterday's match, I see why it shouldn't be used, rape lines aren't long enough, vision for the rape line bridges gives away position and some physic heights need changing.

Lunar should be an advisor.

I think it should have been a playable map. Apocalypse was far better regardless of the map. It’s not played more because players aren’t open to learning how to play it. I thought the spirit of forced map rotations was to get these other maps in play. Regardless if you like them or not. No map is perfect. Different maps work better for different squads. But alas we cater to a few in terms of preferences.

I still think that Caverns would be a good USL map. It’s balanced. And yes it has trees which is another playstyle. Just because a select few don’t like things we tend to rule out options others might prefer. Like you said though when asked what the issue was nobody gave you feedback. To me that means it was more of preference not to play it than giving reasons to why it should not be. They only moan after the fact about it because they don’t want a change of style.

At least now you have something tangible to go off of to make it work in the future. Personally though if they were that concerned about its playability they should have been voicing the needed changes ahead of time.

The map itself doesn't have a good flow... if we wanted to we could have literally base raped harder for the entirety of the match. We actually let them come out a bit... but basically 90% of it is sitting behind a trench shooting.

I personally love the caverns map, and would love to see it used.. maybe edit out the trees and add in rocks/physics. I'll do it if Mizz can send me the editor and all the maps

Side note. Neither the rules or map threads in Captain forums state Lava was unplayable by any head staff. I think appeal should not be upheld and results finalized. You can’t fault Infinite for the Admins never stating it wasn’t able to be used there. When you implement rules the day before the season and don’t clarify playable maps then you left this option open. Regardless of what you want to play this was never communicated in Captain forum in the relevant threads discussing it.

Assassin or MP have the files for Caverns. I think trees would be a good change of pace though. I know you aren’t scared of trees Apollo.

i find that lava map intriguing, bugs and vision problems aside, it is a map that will test both aggressive squads and defensive ones equally. The many Long choke points will test the aggressive one on their ability to force their way through while the many paths will test the defensive one's ability to maintain defensive integrity on their flanks. With a bit of refining perhaps it would be use worthy one day.

I think it was played on perhaps 3-4 seasons ago. But none has gone back to it since.

Again, Lava wasn't a used Map. Eric stated in Staff Forums

"4 map choices, EC - Apollo - KR - Bombs

This section is for the home team only.

After the home team chooses their map pick they are no longer allowed to pick said map for the rest of the regular season, until they have played at home on each of the following maps, as a home team. (4 listed above)"

As a head staff member I told Infinite, and Champion who is also head staff claims he said Eric only said the 4 maps. Infinite then chose to ignore me and take it upon himself to set up the match. While everyone just went to Lava. Knowing it was going to be replayed and appealed anyways (which I told him multiple times) we just raped them for 30 minutes. Of course the correct stats didn't save and we're forced to replay the match correctly. If he had just listened to me (head staff) from the start none of this would have happened.

Again as I said in Captains Forum. It’s not on OON. They to me would have had grounds to appeal if not allowed to play it. If the staff doesn’t communicate these rules or changes to the Captains ahead of time it’s on you the head staff. Just because you have a post in staff forums that change was never communicated to the Captains or community. Making us aware after the fact is not acceptable for a replay in my opinion. This is what happens when you hastily put rules in the day before the season and never inform us the changes being made.

Who exactly said it was on OON? I don't think anyone. They wouldn't have grounds to appeal, especially since mizz could literally just remove the zone entirely. It was made clear to the referees what maps are available, whether or not it was made public is irrelevent. Your same argument could be used if a team wanted to play on Twin Peaks. It's not in the rules (not introduction) that you CANT play on it, but I'm pretty sure a referee would stop you. Stop trying to argue, there is nothing to argue about. A ref fucked up, there is going to be a rematch. End Conversation.

Twin peaks isn’t a USL tagged zone. Sure it’s not in the rules but Lava was added as a USL zone. It’s just not played on. Infinite screwed up. But like I said to the community it just is another example of incompetent leadership by the head staff and failure to make the community aware of what the rule changes in regards to maps were.

Not your fault. You aren’t the admin. Just gets old hearing these backdoor rules that aren’t clarified to the community and then you get upset when the boat is rocked because the staff fails to do things or relay information to us. Quit hastily making changes. Not clarifying changes and then expecting people to suck up and agree with you.

There are 7 head staff and 3 refs and yet between 7 of you you can’t run this league better than this. It’s a sad testament that it takes that many chiefs to run this so poorly.

The absolute madman.

The stats were saved for this match. As for the healing, admins should just give all the medics 2000 heal points. No one should have had any less than that anyway.