As far as salary is concerned I really don’t think that solves the problems currently in regards to squad balancing. Since it went back to FFA the population has increased. Squads are active and playing with people they want to play with. Those are great things to keep the game growing.

To balance things out you really need some of the top players to want to break the norm and split because they want to do something on their own. Build something for themselves and commit to building and improving on their own. You see it occasionally. First to come to mind is Eric making Magic a few seasons ago.

The problem is they are short ventures rather than building long term. The talent/leadership is pooled together as currently stands, which in turn keeps the ability to provide additional growth to more players/leaders in one spot. That said it’s frustrating for those players to go from competing for championships to building something that takes time to improve. Understandably this is why they are short ventures when they occur.

At some point it has to come from the the players to create something and go against the grain to do it. Looking at the Sonichu core as an example. If Champ/Sov/Yosh/ Eric all went separate ways who would be the one to rise to the top out of that group? Same could be said for the idc core. If you split manu/Dave/leak/Shasta going separate ways who is the best of those (obviously not Dave). I think most would agree they all would make excellent captains individually. I don’t think they should be forced to split because of salary caps. Some may have time constraints. Some may not like to be a leader. Some don’t have patience needed to actually help improve situations. To each their own. I think if they wanted to split it should be because they think they can do it better and build something themselves, be on their terms and not by being forced.

If you really want to mix things up. Limit the amount of substitutions per match. 2 max subs per match or something to that effect. Maybe that encourages more to make squads and split up? Maybe not? But forcing players to restrict rosters by a number isn’t the solution. It needs to be a voluntary change to balance things out.

The problem I see with the current changes/administration is
Guy 1: I want to do x
Whoever has power: lets poll x

Guy 2: i want to do y
Whoever has power: lets poll y

None of this is actually being discussed to see if it has any merit for a poll to be done. If you want to talk about big changes for upcoming season, make a new thread about it and argue for it. People forget the huge downsides of salary cap and why it lost horrendously in the poll after three seasons. Same core/person won salary cap, so much for parity. Really dumb to have someone argue the dumbest point ever and have someone with power resolve it with "well lets see what people have to say about it".

In regards to mizz, don't think watching a sb would help assess the state of balance for the changes to the class, especially when it's the likely favorites vs possible 4th/5th seed squad. Instead, just hop on discord/mumble to discuss the changes with mean girls/us. I mean we are pretty much the only people playing on the test zone, might as well give your input. I don't think any sb we have had with mean girls have literally shifted any losses to support classes. I know metal and babble are pretty fond with the new mg class. Don't see any other class pushing the boundaries like marine. I assume we are missing something, might as well discuss it together and find a middle ground.

This seems very discombobulated atm.

Let's take things one step at a time:

- Classes?

I think Tox was correct. Grenader was the only one really altered to the point of possibly changing anything. LMG and Ripper got small buffs. But nothing that will change much. Sounds like a lot of people are liking the new AT. Maybe that needs to be examined just to make sure it isn't game changing.

- Maps?

Currently being polled.

Let's focus on map discussion.

It looks like everyone wants Apollo & EC, correct?

Let's start from there and decide what other maps (if any) should also be in the rotation. I think the current Poll will reflect that.

- All other things?

Let's iron out the map discussion first. Ya'll have ADD.

Thank you Sov. Respectable input like that is what I am going for. PM me that channel you guys use to discuss changes with mg.

Can we get a poll up to see if a soccer brawl ball belongs in USL? You can't camp if you have to score a goal and the goal is in an unfriendly camp location. Ty.

Lemme see that gushy wet wet.

An updated KS10 is live in the TZ if anyone cares to check it out after some fairly big changes.

I think this is something that was brought up in the past but maybe we should start considering it now for S17.
Anyway, at game start a objective would spawn in the middle of the map or somewhere equal distance between both dropships, similar to a Bughunt objective where you can then trek it across the map and turn it in for some kills (5 or 10). It would then respawn somewhere else (again equal distance from both dropships) every 2-3 minutes after it was turned in. It would allow for more fighting over specific areas of the map, while deterring some camping since you could just ignore your opposition and go for the objective. Obviously the league would still be a TDM style mode but would offer a slight variation to gameplay adding both a ctf and skirmish league style objective.

I think it could fix some of the "camping" issues on maps like EC and KR.

So can we just remove KP from the poll and add KS10 instead? lol

I think ks 10 needs some reducing hs. The time it takes to run across the sides of the map is pretty long. I feel like height wise it's ok but width need reducing.

Yea now that I played on it, I think the top caves part is useless. To the gallows cave RIP. KS10 is def a solid map.

Created another poll with the 2 highest voted options that were neck and neck from the previous poll.

Trying to get some quick turnover on the polls so we can get more things polled.

Please vote for the 3 map option people

Please please

5 maps is too many for a 5-6 week season

Yea after playing on the map a bit I feel like south might need a bit of a rework? Feels heavily weighted in favor of the left side. North caves are useless as they are, although that could change if you just add an opening in the south side of it.

I've been thinking about map size too. Definitely feels huge. Problem is if we shrink it I feel like respawn is going to be back into the battle very quickly. The simple dropship option where the entrance of the DS faces away from the battle so that respawners have to walk around it might actually fix that? Then condensing it down seems doable. Maybe move the right side a bit further in than the left.

seconded

In the next poll I will do the following:

Single season, home chooses side
Single season, coinflip for side
Double season, home chooses side
Double season, coinflip for side

I wouldn't mind seeing the test zone map KS 10 in the season its certainly more balanced than KP

WTF happened to dueling for sides?!?!? that was the best idea you guys had... Just make it ONE DUEL... it will take like 40 seconds MAX... like wtf.

Where are we in regards to single season vs double season?

I asked about this in Demon's original post, and I think it got skipped over.

DP/Advisors, any idea on this? Sorry to jump topics.

I don't know that's why we're going to poll it.