Admins should be voted on. Infinite apply, i'd vote for you.

Apollo’s point getting shut down by Eric sov and champ. Wow metal is right.

I remember when champion said he wouldn’t be admin and be on a squad. He left idc so he wouldn’t make any “bias” decisions.

What’s different about this season? Well the champs of last season added ninj easoe Leak and kippa while backs is forfeiting out of the last weeks

I'm not shutting anyone's point down. All I said was there are better ways to accomplish what he wants and proposed the ideas.

also: dark - League Administrator [snakes]

I did not join a squad this season with the intention of being admin in any capacity until dp said he would be inactive for a few weeks of this season. only helping out. no point leaving my squad this late in the season when there are no changes to be made or addressed until the off-season.

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There seems to be a lot more attacking Champ & Sov than actual arguing in favor of adding something like a Flag

Real question: would a flag actually provide a more equal playing ground?

Using Apollo's current suggestion of having a 5-minute victory timer. Wouldn't this just lead to 6-minute long matches in some instances? Or maybe milking and stat padding?

The only times I saw squads camp this season was against FD. Was camping really an issue in any other matches?

I'm just trying to play Devil's Advocate here.

Current maps: There seems to be a few hard to break camping spots that should be fixed.

- I'm not sure why tap was opened back up on KR? As far as I knew that building entrance was closed with an invisible physic for this specific reason. Titan can just hang out in the buildings at their base indefinitely. Collective also has a clear advantage to camping left mesa.

- EC. The south rocks are still camp central even with the changes made to the map some seasons back. Could try to modify them more or remove them entirely for something else.

- Apollo's map isn't too campy except for the left side rocks if you're titan. But it's still kind of easy to break if you know what you're doing.

Converting the whole league to being objective based wouldn't work because I think a large amount of the current players like the deathmatch simplicity. But having one map in the season's rotation with flags would be pretty cool.

Would adding v2, Flags included be an interesting concept?

Include it in a rotation with 2 other maps?

That's just SL without death limits.

Some other things to consider is if you add 1 map into the rotation that has flags it ultimately comes down to which squad you land on in the schedule. Playing X squad on the flag map will yield different results than playing Y squad on a TDM map.

Ya, but it gives a compromise for players who want something besides the traditional tdm aspect of USL.

2 matches with flags
4 matches with standard tdm style only

I'm just spit balling obviously. Doesn't have to be v2. But like Metal said, maybe having a map with a different objective would be a good compromise.

That's definitely one problem with a rotating map schedule. Having different objectives on the different maps could definitely exacerbate that issue.

The only way I could see it working is if you did a season where you play every squad twice. Once with TDM and once with a different objective. But even then that would be a bit hectic to manage and long seasons do not seem to be very popular.

Maybe seasonal themes could be a thing. Just rotate the objectives each season. Season 1 - TDM, Season 2 - CTF, Season 3 - S&D, etc..

But from a web perspective that would also propose a challenge. Basically any objective other than a 30 minute TDM would require a pretty substantial restructure of the website.

Home team could pick map, 1 of which that has a flag?

That's something that usually gets glossed over. The actual implementation of said changes.

If we adjust maps for flags, I'm going to take a guess and say it won't be as simple as modifying the .lio file or whichever one that is. Maps will probably need actual changes to points of ingress. Some physics added or removed. Etc.

Then as you say, if the website needs modifying to support that stuff.

The actual changes begin to take a lot of effort, at least potentially. The saying easier said than done is a common trope when it comes to updating Infantry zones.

@Ice

Home team choose flags or not and Away team chooses side on map?

Yeah abbath that's the one

"https://imgur.com/a/OQQLKI4"

Legit it looks big and even felt big(if that makes sense) while playing on it but the dimensions of this map were less than or equal too EC if I remember correctly.

When we SBed mean girls and Stiletto Nails on this map there was legit 0 camping it was all about being able to rotate properly on this map.

I'd advise throwing this back up in the off seasons so that more than just 3 squads practice on it again so we can get more input.

*insert response that goes over manu's head here*

I agree with chris(shocker right?) If you open up a lot of the choke points in the older / stale maps that we are currently using it makes it a lot harder to camp.

KR should likely be removed from the rotation as it is easily the most unbalanced map we have and would take some serious overhaul to the point where you might as well make a new map to make it semi-balanced.

But if we were to go with a flag route again some of the maps would still need the choke points opened, say if we do get a static flag that rotates positions and its on EC, 1 spot in mid for a time and then it spawns south rocks? Easily camp and hold it.


I guess the point im getting at is adjust the maps first(extend the off season a little bit to provide time but not 3-4months lulz maybe an extra week or two) And then if you don't see any improvement to breaking camps or just camping in general, while everyones testing the map changes someones working on the flag concept just in case so that there is no delay in testing the changes.

A lot of people were giving hellspawn shit at the start of the season but legit anytime I had a tweak or noticed something off balance with the classes I pmed him and the change was done almost instantly zone was refreshed and easily tested within 2-3mins.

That being said I do find it unfair to him that he is legit the only person around that does anything for the maps(and abbath too but more so hs) dev wise and he gets as much shit as I did when I was admin lulz. So id see it quite understandable from his side if he didn't want to be the workhorse for the league changes again.

The thing with sov/champ/erics thoughts is that they aren't wrong and I mostly agree with them. But their points are also from the top squad and being able to have a dependable leader and marines who don't make many mistakes around them. If you put yourself in say Mean Girls shoes or even send noobs, they have different requirements for a fair map.

The Trench Wars model, then?

Very true, if I think back to when I led on sparta i'd want something I can hold easy with my line up compared to the stacked SFo back in the day. And that's when KR was the map for the majority of the seasons.

But then that contradicts "everyones" complaint as to this whole camping issue.

Camping is really only applicable to playoff squads, non-playoff squads usually don't have the talent or leadership to hold a camp.