" VC shouldve been booted right when he entered by refs but thats lack of experience on their part "

^ Only honest thing you've said.

" even in SBs snakes would get mad cause they lose and threaten not to SB us anymore. "

LOL, serious??

Omg this is all so ridiculous. I'm sorry, but I can't not say anything about this. Look guys:

We did not use spec info. In all honesty -- and I really do mean that -- whatever VC and coolmo did had no outcome on the match. I was with Savage northeast above mid and I saw one red dot on my radar to the north before anything even happened with people entering the arena on weird aliases. The whole rest of our team was west of mid going south. On vent, I said I saw enemy north and in team chat savage said "nme north" (he didn't have a mic) and so the whole rest of our team turned around and came up north. This was happening at almost the exact same time that whoever the "APOLLO IS AT G2" guy came into the arena. But to be real I had just spotted the enemy on my radar and so I didn't even process what that alias really MEANT until after the fact. All I knew was that we saw enemy north and were about to engage in battle.

As for the second claim at spec info - when we killed Kingsnake in the rocks at about 4 min left. MC already gave a perfect explanation of what happened, but I will reiterate it here. We were camping at our base, literally standing still for a full 5 minutes just waiting for you guys to come. You never showed up and everyone was getting bored, so we all decided to just push east into rocks. I don't even think Jake told us to do it - we just did. We all grouped up outside the west entrance to rocks and then all pushed in together. I can honestly say we were shocked to find Kingsnake there. In fact, the first two marines stopped pushing and started backpedaling when they saw him because we thought it was an ambush. But someone on vent yelled "JUST KILL HIM AND THEN RUN!" and so that's what we did. We were in shock that there wasn't any of the rest of his team there. We were all expecting to get ambushed and massacred, tbh. We thought you guys had set something up and to this moment I have no idea where the heck the rest of your team was or why he was so far from the rest of you guys. After we killed Kingsnake our vent exploded. Everyone was laughing and cheering because we could not believe our luck and everyone was screaming to go back to base and camp, fully expecting that the entire team was about to collapse on us in our retreat.

That's what happened in real time, from someone who was actually playing for Predators. Now, HAVING SAID THAT, if I had been on snakes or if I had been in spec, I can TOTALLY UNDERSTAND how that would have looked like spec info. I don't think it's ridiculous that snakes is in an uproar about this, because tbh it must have looked extremely suspicious. Could we really get that lucky, twice in one match? I know it's hard to believe that it was all just coincidence and so I don't expect you to believe me, but I am in all honesty saying it was coincidence.

I know what it must have looked like from spec and I know what it must have felt like for snakes and I would probably be pissed about it too if I had been leading snakes, but the fact of the matter is that it was just an unlucky coincidence - for both teams, actually, because it made you lose the match and it made us look like we cheated when really that had nothing to do with it.

Had this match been in the postseason, where the outcome REALLY "mattered" (comparatively speaking), I would totally understand that snakes requested a rematch. Even though we didn't use spec info, we probably would have granted a rematch even though we were innocent, just because there's no way to prove our innocence and it's just our word against theirs. Thankfully this match had no outcome on the postseason schedule and so a win/loss in this game for either team doesn't mean anything.

I think that, in general, people are far too paranoid about spec info/hacking/lagging. Speaking as someone who has led a lot of matches, I know from personal experience that sometimes something can look like it was 100% spec info when really it wasn't. I have led matches where we just happened to find an ambush or something and honestly it was total coincidence but the opposing team was POSITIVE we used spec info but I knew for a fact we didn't since I was leading lol. Same goes the other way - I have led matches where we were caught out of position and I myself was positive that they used spec info on us, but it probably was just luck.

This was a really unfortunate match. It was more passive than either team wanted, was boring af to play in and probably even more boring to watch. Yes we wanted to win, but thinking we would use spec info to do it is ludicrous. There was unfortunate interference with the match by non-players, but I don't think it had any influence on the outcome. Without having been in Predators, in-game when it happened, I can see how it would have looked like we used spec info, but we didn't. So let's all just move on and get ready for the postseason, OK? We didn't cheat and we never will.

The reason I took the time to write all of this out is because petty disagreements like this can tear an already-small community apart. I love this game and I love you guys and I want USL to stick around as long as possible. Let's be mature about this.

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Prince Vince

chaos blade king of the delusionals

Spec info will never make a difference in usl, think about it, it would only help the one person getting it on an individual basis and they could never react anyway as ppl are always moving. Unless squads are camping or ambushing it could prevent getting screwed, other than that no help as usl is open battles about flanks and angles. Fags just creating drama and bad losers with all the excuses like se.

The sole purpose of your post is to cause drama kippa.. dont pretend like it isnt.

roger clemons alert

I didnt read any of this, but all i have to say is its pretty fucking dumb that now every one is going to a private arena now. You're going to kill the game. Whats more important to all of you? Winning this season or having many more. You guys arent 16 anymore, lets act like weve aged 10 years for fuck sake. Stop doing shit thats going to make people stop showing up to play.

Emblem - You just admitted that snakes should deserve a rematch if the match actually mattered. Now if we're talking specifically for rules it shouldnt fucking matter if its champ game or a reg season that doesnt even matter.

And now for the last time, it sucks for pred if you DIDNT use the spec info but the fact is.. it made US go out of position. Even if you were headed up to where we were, it basically forced us to move and get out of position.

You know the game well enough apollo that it makes no difference. I think it might have put you off/interrupted your style. Although pred seeing or finding out where you were made no difference.

The way you lead / camp is with 360 vision, so they would have seen you at some point anyway. End of the day they still had to fight you and beat you in that battle regardless.

On a side note it was shit to watch the full match, try to have more battles and trust your players more.

TG/mecca/ernie are all top marines and you have good medics, there is no need to camp so much.

We were all hiding with mecca going around scouting, when I saw that alias I first told us to move, and second started trying to get it dealt with in capts chat. At that point since we had just moved from our setup and were caught from them not in the setup I had hoped.

And the fact that everyone is arguing against us with the arguement that spec info doesn't matter? Is that what league has come to, spec info gets used and we don't get a rematch... rofl, seriously yosh ask any former admin what they would do.

Spec info doesnt matter bro. Its not old USL anymore. This isnt SOE.

Conspiracy theory: All this is to bring the population back. Both squads agreed to have a shitty match with spec info and ventrilo harassment in order to get a buzz going so that people will start to log on during the week. Good job both teams. And you too VC. Not Coolmo though. Fuck that guy.

All of this is to kill the game off. These things make less people want to play

except no champ game is gonna be private kw :(

thank god snakes won't be playing in it, GO AD yawn

Why are the matches going to be private? Leave them public. What's the worse that can happen; you lose in an online game?? Lol....

Even if someone noticed those two on their aliases, we had no way of knowing if snakes were really at those coords. For all we knew, they could have been helping snakes in trying to get us to head toward those coords.

Hide, lose, and whine harder.