The only way a rematch should EVER be granted is if it changed the outcome of a game beyond a reasonable doubt. There have been a few rematches because of ref error, unfortunately those rematches have always been close games where it went either way.

Dave fucked up, that is common knowledge. Did it change the outcome of the game? I don't believe so, can anyone actually argue that it did?

You can't know for sure if that would change the outcome... that doesn't matter... its a rule...

No one knows what could have happened if that didnt happen. I need a rematch. Thats all... Technically i can ask for the squad to be banned but that's not good for the game. A rematch is so reasonable.

MIGA

Ah - so you realized that copying the entire rule, 95% of which was non applicable to the situation was stupid. At least we settled that part. Damn incapable admins running the league/game into the ground. (fist shake emoji or something goes here) By the way, how is CTFPL going?

Backs> Too stupid of a comparison to even bother responding to. You're a big sports betting guy (or at least claim to be when you're not spamming SNIPER SNIPER SNIPER). You'd be better off trying to compare the situation to a sport - like when the referees admitted to not giving the celtics an additional 0.6 seconds or w/e it was at the end of Game 6 vs the Wizards. Referee error in an ultra close game. Glad they replayed it. Oh... wait.

How can you say that the spec info rule doesn't apply when he clearly gave spec info? Are you ok? You seem to be confused.


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Bringing up ctfpl because your argument isn't holding up. All good homie, maybe try to argue something that isn't clearly set in rule page. Better luck on next argument staley!

I brought up CTFPL because of the fact that you seem to jump at any chance you have to call the staff shit when you yourself have proven incapable of running a league successfully. Sometimes the source of the argument needs to be pointed out when it comes from a shitty source.

As far as the situation goes, the spec info rule, when read with a reading comprehension above third grade level is pretty easy to understand. Dave made a refereeing error that may have unintentionally given spec info to a squad but we're looking @ a referring error and not blatant spec info from the perspective of the rule (Ie: albert> fausto is @ a3). Not everything is as black and white as you'd like to make it and the spec info rule doesn't encompass what occurred in this situation because few rules can.

You remember when Ernie specced out to not die and a rule had to be amended after the fact?

Wow. That's a horrible comparison lmao!!!... you can't compare a refs JUDGEMENT a all against THIS which is FACT. That was spec info... that's fact... a ref doesn't have a judgement call on spec info... spec info is spec info, you can't miss that ... it's not a judgement call lmao.

I will be removing myself from the equation to prevent people speculating that my decision is based on which squad I am in.. I will let Champion make the Decision on this. As he is an Advisor on Head Staff and is not affiliated with Magic nor Light Work.

Please note: I have stated my case and Backs has stated his.

Also: thanks Dave for causing this commotion.

SIGH. I will look over all the information again and get back to you.

Thanks fausto, for admitting you used spec info on an ref error while being admin. You da real mvp

Albert, your posts are null and void as you continue to put my character of a person into question. This is not my decision make nor did I ever give a decision to this situation in my previous posts.. Moreover, for someone like you (that hates the current state of the league) you seem to care a lot. Do us a favor and come join staff to help out; it's better to implement change than to critique it from the sidelines. In any aspect, I hope you're doing well my friend.

Idk why we are questioning this... Dave admits he was wrong... he admits to not knowing the rule... not knowing the rule gave away our position... we just want a rematch. Whys this so hard?

This is not spec info. Stop reaching, + look at the score. You're like someone complaining about one blown call in a game when you lost by 50. Some of you need to have some pride lol

Champ plz grant rematch, our squad is willing. 72 kills is not enough

Sov uses spec info every game and nobody gets a rematch, your cause is lost backs :(

You admitting to using ref error to cheat is void? The rules are void? Why have them if they're void? All my posts are facts. Facts are facts, and they're far from void. Stop trying to down play your scumbag decision to cheat and act like it's ok cause you were winning the match anyways. Talk about having pride.

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The reason I don't play this game is exactly what's going on here. You cheated, admitted to cheating and some how it's ok cause the potential for them to lose anyways was high. Yeah let me hop on the staff, sounds like a great idea. You just want me to do sl live and stream this game go add the potential of a player base increase. Sorry sir, not tadayyyyyy

I do not believe a rematch is warranted in this situation. For the following reasons:

- Dave did not give away Light Work's position. The purpose of the captain's chat is to communicate with the captains, whether its subs or rule enforcement. Dave may have slipped up but Light Work's position was not compromised until Backs said which lines they were.

- An appeal can be granted if a rule is not enforced or is broken but there was no lack of enforcement or rules broken by anyone in this situation. Had Dave specced anyone that didn't shoot while crossing the enemy rape lines then that would have been wrongful enforcement. Otherwise the only mistake Dave made was a warning that shouldn't have been issued (harmless and did NOT result in spec info).

- You can exit the rape lines from a number of different areas. So it's not like he said "do not enter north rape lines again". That would have given Magic an idea of where you were. "Rape lines" is pretty vague.

- I do not believe it would have changed the outcome of the game.

Sorry if you do not feel this is fair but with all the information given I cannot realistically see any case for a rematch. I am locking this topic and any further discussion about it.

Be real about this, Dave didn't give spec info because he didn't specify who went behind rape lines. Ref error maybe but then each time a ref warns someone in arena chat for passing rape lines would be giving spec info away or a ref error. His actions didn't change the battle because we went the opposite way till you said "through yours wtf", even then we still went through mid to north mid, giving you time to do whatever play you were still doing. Would that one play give you 50 kills to catch up? Hell no.