You act like I'm some Sniper advocate. I don't play the class and it affects Marines just as much as it affects Medics. You think I enjoy having my HP drop down to like 30 out of nowhere or see my Medic picked off so I can't push anymore? No. But it's part of the game and you adapt to it. Balance before removal.

You know I kind of want to see where the last sniper changes were made. I looked at the polls and found nothing. Weird I figure Tyrael and Champion changes to sniper was communicated to the league.

Anyone have the post where sniper changes were discussed? Rather move away from all these shadow buffs that get green lit behind the scenes.

Also is this you? https://www.uslzone.com/usl/forums/view_post.php?s=62168
Champion: USL has and always will be sniper free since 2003.

Troll posts against Backs can't be taken as gospel. Also I don't understand what you mean by shadow buffs? All of these changes were communicated when they were implemented and had a testing phase for an entire off-season before being introduced to the league.

Don't count my vote in either pile. I wanted to see the results and suggested we reduce damage to allow meds to survive one snipe + one AR, and reducing sniper health to match. Can increase medic health slightly to make it a little easier for them against the other classes as well, but idk. Small changes and seeing how they play out is best. I think that's the goal overall with the changes, though some unintended consequences of the changes created much larger issues

I mean I'm on the line of nerf it, don't remove it.

I just cannot find the discussion post. I found the one related to AT and LMG. I cannot find a poll either for sniper. Just want to avoid something similar to this season where classes were changed that was not discussed earlier.

I want to see the logic for sniper damage and change to sniper projectile. As well, the community response to said changes. I think it's fair to look at when assessing how to address sniper.

I can tell you right now that if Medics aren't having fun playing Medic it isn't because of Sniper or other classes. It's because Medic itself needs tweaks.

This was never a problem until I started shitting on you fucking pussies when I played with strong marines.

Grow a fucking cock. Pussies.

I can't speak to the actual changes of Sniper because I did not make those adjustments. Those came in after me. My argument is about the class itself.

Imagine being so close minded you think this is because of you. Lmfao it's not dude.

If skirmish league doesn’t go up tonight ninj and neg are taking pinec one hostage. You have 1 hour and 45 seconds to comply

Literally 1 person snipes and he gets a bunch of faker kills / has zero impact on the match.

1 snipe and a couple shots isn’t bad. Most of my play vs a sniper is someone getting hit multiple times in a row which caused me to waste all of my heals for that

I can't remember the last time a sniper was used in a match and that squad won.

For me personally, I would like to see USL sniper have a different identity if it is kept. Maybe something like 40 hp shots but much higher fire rate and more ammo. I think the biggest part that I dislike about sniper is that generally for things like SBs, I don't think it really contributes to the team fights. Often the snipers are often too far away from their team to contribute. So to me, I would like to see it have more team engagement rather than 1 shot 1 kill mentality.

I am not exactly certain the best ways to accomplish the end goal of more team centric play but would be open to alternatives.

Personally I just find Sniper annoying. I want to run straight to the action in USL and not have to slowdown dodging a snipe. SL with the 1 shot hit and trees was what sniper was meant for.

But I also agree with what Champ said reference making adjustments to playstyle to counter. I still think a team is wasting a slot using a sniper but players/teams can make their own decisions. The current class doesn't need changing imo.

Also I voted before reading chat if that poll is used swap me to a Yes

if sniper was OP then then most teams would run a sniper

This version of sniper has been around since season 12 of free infantry. So all together SOE/Free infantry about 37 seasons without sniper or at least one with this impact, and 9 seasons with. Also agree maybe tweaking before completely removing is the right thing to do, lets not sit here and act like this class has been around since the dawn of time. Lately we just keep changing so many classes that this is starting to feel like a weird mix of SL/EOL just with USL rules and maps. I understand we needed change because for some reason people are having trouble getting good at a 25+ year old game. USL was NEVER about having AT, Sniper, or whatever class people want to make up. The only zone to survive and keep this game alive but we want to keep making changes so it's not even USL anymore. Next we gonna see SpecOps and Infils in usl, shit might as well throw a soccer ball in the middle of the map at this point.

Going full on snowball league

I say remove at also let's just go back to the basics again

honestly agree, change is fine but too much change at once is awful. There is a reason USL outlived everything else and a reason everyone came back to it. It's not because of class or map changes.

Sniper wasn't used in matches for a reason and I feel the main reason people are voting it out is because it's annoying to scrim against. If it does stay in, the maps need to be altered as they were not designed for that. But if that is the case, literally just alternate between USL one season and SL the next.

There hasn't been a legit season of SL since SOE, with flagging and 3 death limit that wasn't draft.