I don't think there is anything to fear from a recount, Mecca. If one were to happen, I would be changing my vote from KR/EC to either Apollo or Bomb's map. I originally wanted something I was used to, but after playing on Apollo's map last night, flawed as it was, I realized that something new could make the league exciting again.

I think Apollo makes good points about none of the maps ever being perfect, and being changed many times before we got to the current versions. There's still time to either address the issues in his map, which he has said he is already in the process of doing, or simply change to Bomb's map if Apollo can't get everything fixed.

If for some reason apollos map is deemed unplayable by the time season comes we can repoll, because I know a bunch of people who voted for apollos would vote for bombs instead. But we have 2 weeks still so everyone needs to get online and Sb and post constructive criticism not "lol this map sucks"

lol this map sucks

The problem with the poll, is noone had fucking played on Apollo's map before they voted. They might vote differently after playing on it, but I've only seen about 3 squads that have done so.

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I'll break 30 kills a game on that map aswell.

Agreed with r.

Apollo's map would be great with some changes. I will post up some ideas later.

Apollo's map is actually pretty nice and has some fresh ideas (tuckers cave). There just needs to be adjustments made, but we can only figure what needs to improve by playing on it.

That being said, I wouldnt mind using Bomb's map for the season as we continue to edit this map for Season 5. If ur gonna poll again, poll between Bomb's or Mark's map, there needs to be change for at least one season before we go back to EC/KR again

I simply just wanted to bring it up for discussion. It was stated that I wasnt knocking his map in any way just questioning whether it was a good idea. If youre putting hostile personality towards your post then rethink your life goals because getting mad in a post is silly.

As far as constructive criticism goes. Get right of the big long cock rock in the top right leaving DS. Its a nuisance more than anything we could ever put strategy towards. Favors the team raping over the team trying to escape.

One of the key focal points in KR and EC have always been the middle of the map ( of course bottom as well ). The middle of the map seems very congested on Apollos map from playing last night. Definitely open landbridge where the new F3 area is. Pull weed up a few inches to allow flanks under weed the ability to outplay once around rather than be in a deathtrap underneath.

I like the area to the right side of weed, the chokes are balanced and create good battles. Just need the landbridge area opened to open fights or reduce the size of the giant rock to the right of weed.

I will be looking at the map in more detail today to give more feedback.


( BTW I actually have no problem playing on a new map and I welcome it. I was asking if new players would be intimidated by it. Especially new people wanting to lead. )

Khaos with the best post in the thread: "I'm all for a new map apollos map has some potential, it really needs some changes though. I will post a screenshot with my suggestions so that I dont sound like everyone else in this thread. "

That is constructive.

Like I said, After just a few scrims I have fixed some things that were noticably not good for matches. It's not perfect, but I don't think any map is. There are flaws in every single map, even after near 30 seasons. You work with what you got while we edit changes that benefit the map as we go. EC Map was edited and changed throughout while it was still being played on. As was KR.

A fresh map not only makes it not as boring, but gives every squad a better shot. For example - Worms gave us a really good scrim and it was close, moreso than a stacked lineup we played because they actually tried new tactics and we were not sure where they would be. If you put up KR It's going to be non stop steamroll.

Post what you think would benefit the map/league, or fuck off (not to anyone specific) I am a lifer and can make the changes asap, so we can get it done for the season start.

Apollo's or Bomb's map for this season, and the other for next season.

The map is premature - it needs more fixing. If you want to run the season while implementing the changes I'm cool with that. But in no way or form is the map even close to the final version.

If I'm not mistaken someone mentioned it takes days just to do the vision. The physics and most importantly the vision needs a lot of fixing.

Lies Armor!

Can we not have KR and Apollo map go into the usl zone and replace EC. Just do it hoe we do rvb and gvy make it an event for Apollo map, probably the same for KR since player never really seem to have interest playing usl pub on the big maps anyways.

This way newer players/squads can test sbs on both map and long time users have the option to sb on whichever they want also.

SL lava map was fun... and may be interesting without trees with minor changes (maybe replace the "u" with a couple of "F"s - agreed there. :)

LEz try something new

I do like the idea of having multiple maps up for people to play on and make the decision from their favorite after playing on it.

I have a map as well if anybody is interested in looking at it.

let's play on ctfx map

NML map - take out the tress/tranches and add in a few more shapes/rocks etc.