If i did that I would have received a 15 season ban. This game is so pussy.

aka this game is run by democrats. pussy ass niggas.

Liberal herbs

The unfortunate part is that the new map is actually pretty good. When you die, you respawn right near the enemy so there isn't a ton of running to find people, but the terrain and battles change constantly because the fight gets pushed to the right or left of the long map.

However, pissing off 35 players by *lock'ing KR and telling us that our only choice is to play Cazzo Forge is not the way to promote your zone. Jovan and Mizzouse were wrong to give you permission to "funnel players" to your zone, because you are taking broad interpretations of that permission and going power-crazy on us.

Enable events in all of the zones again, and stop using ultimatums to force the zone on us. Your zone will win during early evenings on merit alone. It's more fun to play than Red vs Blue. But now you have taken a giant Public Relations hit with the ragelocking last night. The only way to fix it is to offer an olive branch and reverse the disabling of events and locking of arenas, and then to let the zone populate naturally during the evening. You said you fixed the crash bug, so that's not an excuse anymore.

The way CTF/CTFPL died is well chronicled:

1) The OvD format is not conducive to pub play. That's the beginning and the end of it.
2) The admins forced OvD on new players who were just looking to play pub, and because of that they couldn't play.
3) General attitude problems that stem from admins trying to push OvD onto players.

If it were resolved back then and CTF implemented the equivalent of "mini maps" that SK has, without any restrictions on number of teams or CTFPL-esque rules, their situation would be much different today.

SK took CTFPLs population as a result, which is where it's been for the past 8+ years.

lel. nice game.

this game is much more enjoyable if you only login on Sundays. this way you get to avoid all of this drama!

Did the player base just decide to quit?

It's not like USL has had a lot of new faces, most everybody that plays has been here for years.

USL doesn't get new faces for one specific reason. See: statpad squads like the one backs is a captain of.

Yes, the vast majority of the CTF playerbase just quit. There's really only about 7 or 8 of us left in the USL league.

Emperor, Metal, Scarface, Iron, Sov, Toukinup, BigTymer187, Sinn Fein, Octavian

That's about it

Anyways, I'll make a post detailing Cazzo Forge later today.

Cazzo Forge uses the exact same USL settings as in the league.

Cazzo Forge has the same quick combat that Red vs Blue offers.

The combat in Cazzo Forge is actually more USL-like than Red vs Blue minimap as there is a greater variety of terrain and a lot more open battles.

Try it out, see what's it about.

Red vs Blue is even now ported on the map and defaulted for low pops.

so Hs is trying to claim FI would be alive and thriving without USL?

I bet the pop would top at 15 on a very good day, don't get it twisted FI is USL, FI is nothing without us.

Thanks for remembering about me!

my bad deepee. lol. Yes, Chris has played as long as any of us in CTF!

First off, any accusations of delusion will only be aimed at anyone who thinks this game would survive without USL. These zones are 90% of the population at all times. Other zones will survive for a time but they cannot withstand becoming stale much faster.

Second, saying USL is not equal to FI may be true to a sense, but using that logic when 90% of the population would like to play the USL zones is only going to fail. It's an "MMO" game, even if max pop is 60. The only way these succeed is to appeal to the masses. Should new zones be tested? Absolutely. Should you force people into spec in a zone they are playing to force them to? Hell no. Should you eliminate events that allow lower populations to play in zones they want to play?? No. That's not how you run anything, much less a half dead game. This may have worked with Footbrawl with what seemed to be some subtle glitches that caused skirmish zones to crash, but even then you could see a definitive plummet in game population.

Now you try to force it? Yea dont expect that to fly. I still say the issues that caused crashing a month ago was intentional to get people to play FB. Now I'm even more suspicious of it.

hey man zombie zone is pretty sweet

So I wasn't here for the actual collapse of it.

But there are important things to remember about CTF and specifically CTFPL.

It's honestly a lot more complicated than Skirmish. Between Engineer/Turrets, Flagging, Summining, Mining... there's a lot going on.

And best case scenario if you want to play an actual CTF competitive game, you need 8v8. Otherwise you're just messing around killing each other with CTF settings. The bulk of CTFPL players have no interest in that. They haven't since like 2002. Pub CTF is just a disorganized mess.

The vets are too particular. The newbs don't know what they need to do to make the vets happy. Neither side has the patience.

So I imagine this led to a slow decline where a few players just slowly started quitting, and they were never replaced due to a lack of pub/training.

It's okay, someone was crashing the server during SL draft when I was running that.

Loki - Correct.

"I still say the issues that caused crashing a month ago was intentional to get people to play FB. Now I'm even more suspicious of it."

I had my suspicions. This whole fiasco basically convinced me it is what happened.

and then hs blamed mizz that zones were crashing, despite jovan/mziz both finding out that it was bad code in fb that was crashing usl zones. Everything coming together now.