Can we have Apollo's map up for a week then vote between his and KR. Would be nice to have the vote AFTER we have sb'ed on it a few times.

KR is well balanced and a familiar map with all leaders towards the game. It would be less intimidating for new leaders and new squads to play on KR and build a squad rather than a new map.

A lot of new players will be discouraged with playing on a new squad thats playing poorly due to learning a new map as well. If we are trying to grow squad count for next season will a new map help? Or hurt?

Not bashing apollo's map just bringing it up for discussion.

Kr is not balanced at all?

The map takes 2 sbs to learn, honestly it's time for a change.

Apollo's map does have a bit of flaws but they can all be fixed by the time the season starts.
A new roster limit will help with the squad count. Nothing against IV but they had 3-4 players that could have easily joined anyone else and played last season.

But Poll if you must, I'm pretty certain people are tired of KR/EC after 29 seasons.

As for Apollo's map, here are some of my suggestions.

-Remove that green rock on KR to add another way through.
-Fix the red physics on that building north of weed.
-Open up that choke where the barricades are NW of weed.
-Add ceiling physics in the cave. (Some people might not like this) I think using that cave should be risky. Maybe even add another tunnel running horizontal with it.
-Add more objects/barricades to whatever base is north, its currently easy to catch them coming out or falling in.
-Widen that choke where broken bridge would be.

lets play bombs

But Poll if you must, I'm pretty certain people are tired of KR/EC after 29 seasons.
apollo are these 2 maps mashed together

and it also has parts of Bomb's so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Should put up bomb's map for EC. Apollo's map still needs work and people aren't really testing it, so might as well get a new map that is already fine since people are bored with kr. That way we have a backup if apollo's map is not fixed or liked by the community. No the map does not take 2sbs to learn. I have played with new players for the past 3 season and they definitely did not learn EC nor KR with 2sbs. Change the poll for map to captains only. USL squads are the only one who care about which map they play since pub is basically event. The last poll was basically which squad can get their members to vote on one.

KR would be fine if apollo's map can't be fixed in time and/or people don't end up wanting to play on it but I am pretty sure most people would prefer something new/newish.

I can tell you personally if KR or EC stay up I don't think I'll lead this season.

KR is the least balanced map of all of them. Titan is at such a disadvantage always.
EC is boring.
Bombs would be acceptable if mine doesn't work because it's a change.

Incase you don't remember, KR and EC have both been edited time and time again to make them better for sb's. Making a good map is a process that takes awhile after countless scrims on it. When KR map was edited and cut in half people bitched, when EC was first put up inplace of KR the very first season, people were fucking outraged.

I have already edited a lot of my map after squadbattling on it for the last two nights it was clear what needed to be changed, what worked and what didn't. But to use the reasoning that KR is more familiar is kind of retarded. It's a fresh start for newer leaders to try something never before done - When EC was put up Apoc was a n00b squad, but we had some great upsets because we were doing plays that nobody has ever seen. KR/EC are predictable, anyone with half a brain knows where the nme will be.

I am actually looking for constructive things to improve the map, I think it's a good base to start from. And like I said before, Instead of just saying it sucks with no feedback, tell me what you think would make it be better and why. Ola with that attitude EC & Bombs map would have never been put up.

What would be the difference between putting up Bomb's or Apollo's map when it comes to newer squads? That map was only ever used for one season and that was one of the shortest seasons there was.

You're right though, 2 SBs was a bit of an exaggeration on my part. The map has been up for for a while now, squads should be taking it upon themselves to learn the map now and not wait for the season to start.

I'll post here what I posted in the captains forums a while back. My suggestion would be to have 2 maps up in a single zone. Home team picks the map they want to play on while the away team gets to pick the side. This way we can keep it a bit more fresh than playing the same map over and over only leading to people not playing towards the end of the season. The only downside to this would be that teams wouldn't get uniforms which isn't a big deal.

Poll the captains then, I'm finding it hard to believe that my squad is the only one tired of KR/EC.

since mizz is on vacation and cant upload the edits, here is what I did

Radar shot:

http://i.imgur.com/ZDPWIuO.jpg


new kr entrance:

http://i.imgur.com/lFagcyd.jpg


new ridge access:

http://i.imgur.com/W2ficZx.jpg


new "cave":

http://i.imgur.com/9rpj2mA.jpg


also changed up some vision and physics, added some minor things like barracades, etc

This map sucks

OlaCola, KR is MORE intimidating on new leaders because old leaders already have solid strats for offense/defense on the map. new maps give everyone a level playing field.


My map, Apollos map, Joe Shmoes new map, all basically unplayed for much time at all so new strats are possible every SB. it actually makes it easier for a new leader to get creative and surprise the FK out of the old dogs still trying to learn new tricks.

Let's just use Lava map guys.

I like Bomb's map tbh.

There needs a be an entirely new map, instead of someone editing an existing map. But I know it takes time and I for one don't have time for that shit thats why I could care less what map we play on, but from what I saw, Apollos edited map had some flaws.

Didn't we already poll to put this up? Now we're going to poll to keep it up? Seems like a waste of time. I actually had fun sbing on Apollo's map. Change is good.

dp trying to win some brownie points w/ his co-capt!

I think we should replace trenches with ridges/rocks and use modified NML map.

My vote is still for the Soccer Brawl map with the goals acting as dropships.

The level of stubbornness to change in this community is astounding.

Maps need to be edited nothing is a home run first shot.


Remember when you could go left of kr? Or fight at tap? Or remember when there wasn't land bridge on kr? Most of you probably don't and that's exactly the point.

Why anyone would willingly want to play on kr again with 2 better/fresher options is mind blowing

Apollos map won in the polls for captains, general public, and staff. This isn't 2000 you can't just call a recount

I agree with bomb to an extent that a new map slightly helps new squads not necessarily new leaders and not as big of a difference as you might imagine.

I'm all for a new map apollos map has some potential, it really needs some changes though. I will post a screenshot with my suggestions so that I dont sound like everyone else in this thread.

I think lava map would be awesome to play on if we remove trees! Forgot about that map played with it one season in SL was great!

Apollos map is a long way away from being playable for a season and the people complaining about collie having advantage on KR need to realize its worse on apollos map currently but of course that can be changed.